CrossPost: (Updated) Obama - A GREAT speech, from a non-supporter

I know, I know.  DailyKos is bad, and all those crazy Obama supporters are rabid, nutty animals (sigh).  I know many here at MyDD are boycotting or striking (bigger sigh).  All the same, I saw a diary that some of you (albieit a minority) might be interested in.

One day soon, we'll all have to work together behind the democratic nominee.  Let's hope the days gnashing teeth, and tearing out eachother's throats will soon come to and end.

With the explicit permission of the diarist, Miss Blue, I'm posting her diary below the fold, in its entirety.  Read with an open mind.

 

MIss Blue's Diary:

Many of you are very aware I am not, and have not been a supporter of Barack Obama.

This is not because I support Hillary Clinton - in fact, I like/dislike Hillary and Barack equally, for very different reasons.

My goal for 2008 is to see a Democrat in the White House.  I felt there were problems with both of the remaining candidates being elected.  I supported John Edwards, in part because I felt he was the most electable in the general election.  We can see where that went.

After watching Hillary throw her campaign in the toilet, I long ago realized that Obama would be our nominee, and I have hoped for the best.  The Wright controversy made me feel we were doomed.
I have called for Obama and his supporters to address this issue, strongly and unequivocally.  I have been roundly chastised by the Obama fans on this site.  Called a Republican, accused of voting for John McCain, accused of being a Hillary-bot, accused of hating Obama with the fire of a thousand suns.  None of which are true, but so goes the hyperbole on this site these days.

This speech is what I wanted to hear. It is truly heartening to see Obama is far better at reading the average voter than are many of his supporters on this site.  

Being skeptical that he could put this issue to rest with one speech, or ten, I am coming away from it feeling very heartened.  It was a great speech, perfect in it's tone and it's talking points.

Without throwing a decades-long friend to the wolves, Obama completely renounced the inflammatory anti-America statements of Rev. Wright.  This shows me loyalty, to friends and to country.  It shows me wisdom, and political acumen.  It shows me sensitivity, to human emotions and political whim.

Senator Obama addressed the racial divide without casting blame.  He shut down the black vs. white argument that has been threatening to take over this Presidential election.  Blame for fueling a divide was put where it belongs - the Rush Limbaughs, the Sean Hannitys, the conservative coalition, the corporate whores who have used racial divides for their financial gain.

Obama's speech was inclusive, rather than divisive.  All minorities were included in those who have suffered discrimination - not just black, but poor, women, hispanics, migrants of all ethnic backgrounds.

As a non-supporter going into this speech, and a white Catholic woman who figured I wasn't involved in this issue other than as a worried Democrat, I felt included.  I felt like I mattered, even in a speech who's main topic was supposed to be a United Church of Christ preacher and his inflammatory remarks.  

This speech, in my view, is the most important one of his career, as it determines where his political career is going in the near term.  He hit it out of the park.

Bravo.  And for that, Senator Obama, you have gained one more supporter.

UPDATE:  First the good news.  Media spin on this speech has been almost universally positive.  Michael Smerconish, noted righty-whacko, is positively raving about this speech on Hardball on MSNBC.  Chris Matthews is in drool mode - he has a new crush, and it's named Barack Obama.

Now the bad news.  It seems some posters here don't feel the need for any new supporters.  Seems if we weren't on the O-train from the get-go, we are not to be trusted and our votes aren't required.  It is nice to see that is not a majority opinion, but it is a dangerous one, nonetheless.  Obama will need every vote he can get to beat John McCain.  And Obama's message seems the opposite of exclusionary.  Perhaps the veteran Obama supporters could get their wayward fellow supporters to tone it down.


Poll
Will the battle for the democratic nomination damage the party?
Yes - the dems are doomed.
Yes - and it's Obama's fault.
Yes - and it's Hillary's fault
No
Maybe
Who cares?
Hope so. I'm a repub freeper.
Pie. Delicious.

Votes: 15
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: CrossPost: (Updated) Obama - A GREAT speech, (2.00 / 2)

Good post. I'm a independent. Now I'm a Democrat for 2008. They both excellent candidates. I prefer Obama. But HRC is good too.


by ListenNOW on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:54:36 PM EST

Re: CrossPost: (Updated) Obama - A GREAT speech, (2.00 / 1)

Good for you.  Thanks for taking a look.  :)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:58:38 PM EST
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Here goes nothing. (2.00 / 1)

Sorry if the formatting sucks.  I'm not so hot with HTML.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 05:55:12 PM EST

Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Pie?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:04:08 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Dutch Apple.  No, wait.  Peach.  Definitely peach.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:24:36 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

In relation to?


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:45:14 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Ala mode.  Naturally.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:09:11 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

   
Et la signification de cette tarte nonobstant?
by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:25:12 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Le goût est significatif par lui-même, no?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:36:01 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Tant que le goût est à gauche, pas à droite. Merci.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:42:07 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

Nous sommes d'accord, vous et I.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:45:38 PM EST
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Re: Here goes nothing. (none / 0)

D'accord.  À bientôt.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:57:49 PM EST
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Not so great -- More of the same fluff (none / 0)

Miss Blue - Unless you've been in a cave without electricity for the last year, I think you'd know that Matthews is drowning in his Obama drool.

In any case, I did not feel the same way as you did about the speech. It was certainly well delivered and the tone was perfect. He said many nice uniting things, but also invoked Ferraro and equated her to Wright--not so nice.

Bottom line, I don't believe a word of it. His campaign style is to always deliver nice above it all speeches that guys like Matthews can get all excited about while his surrogates and media buddies (...Chris, that's you) deliver racially charged attacks and fan up his base of supporters. If you spend lots of time over at dKos these days, you know exactly what I am talking about. In a word, it is hypocrisy. He says one thing while doing something completely the opposite. So, one speech is not going to do it for me. We've seen this act many times before.


by MediaFreeze on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:01:44 PM EST

Re: Not so great -- More of the same fluff (2.00 / 2)

Bad news...Miss Blue's diary was posted at dKos, not here. You'll have to break your strike to have Miss Blue actually read your comments.

And here I thought he being gracious to Ferraro by calling her comments a mere gaffe, and that the media had fixated on them at the expense of the real issues.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:06:13 PM EST
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I'm sure Twetty's leg was tingling!! (none / 0)


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:06:58 PM EST
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Re: Not so great -- More of the same fluff (none / 0)

Obviously, I can't (and won't) speak or respond on Miss Blue's behalf.

That said, I can address your general comments.  I'm of the opinion that it was entirely appropriate to invoke Ferraro.  He also mentioned Wright by name multiple times.  Did he equate one with the other?  Of course, that's the point.  BOTH charcters are germane to the discussion on race relations as they have BOTH made racially tinged divisive statements.  Whether one is more offensive than the other is entirely subjective, and depends on one's own viewpoint (i.e. I'm willing to bet that a majority of african americans found Ferraro's comments more offensive than those of Wright).

That's the reality of the situation.  Obama's speech addressed this reality.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:19:18 PM EST
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Re: Not so great -- More of the same fluff (none / 0)

Do you seriously think that Ferraro's observation is anything like the incindiary language of Rev. Wright? For the last two weeks Obama and his surrogates have been attacking Clinton for Ferraro's remark. He did it again today in a speach that was supposed to be about healing the racial divide. By equating these two instances he was trying to diminish the offensiveness of Wright and renew his attack on Ferraro, by painting them with the same brush. All the while, he was acting like he was so far above it all. He's a hypocrite. Pure and simple.

Another point. When the Ferraro story broke, Obama and his campaign made a huge stink about it. By contrast, the Clinton campaign has been mute on Wright. Which camp is injecting racism into the campaign dialog? The answer is clear.


by MediaFreeze on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:50:40 PM EST
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Re: Not so great -- More of the same fluff (2.00 / 1)

"Do you seriously think that Ferraro's observation is anything like the incindiary language of Rev. Wright?"

Insofar as they're both racially inflammatory?  Yes.  They are much alike in that regard, and as such, subject to "painting with the same brush".  That you find Ferraro's less offensive is a product of your own perception.

The Clinton camp has wisely been mute on Wright, largely because they'd rather sit back and watch to see how it benefits them.  Let's see if they stay quiet on the subject in the long run, shall we?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:16:20 PM EST
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Racially TINGED comments? (none / 0)

Actually Ferrara said something that Obama had said about himself a few years ago.  But now he calls it racist.  I call that bull!!!

And if you think Wright's comments were TINGED with race....I have a bridge I'd like to talk to you about.


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:47:04 PM EST
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Re: Racially TINGED comments? (none / 0)

Meet you at the bridge.  Just don't jump off before I get there.

The truth is that "Ferrara's" comments were racially tinged.  Suggesting that Obama's success is some sort of affirmative action guilt trip is ridiculous (and offensive).

Also there's a history/pattern there. Geraldine "Ferrara" said: "If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race".

Care to defend those statements?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 08:06:37 PM EST
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Re: Racially TINGED comments? (none / 0)

So you think Wright's comments are only racially tinged...that's why you're willing to meet me at the bridge.

Sad for you.

And Ferraro's comment about JJ are identical to the one she made about Obama...and which Obama said about himself in the past few years...but which now he labels as racist.

Breaking:  Obama is a racist!  (I think so...after seeing his devotion to his "pastor".)


by Shazone on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:27:23 PM EST
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Re: Racially TINGED comments? (none / 0)

Wow.  Congrats.  A republican couldn't have said it better.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 02:20:01 PM EST
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Sorry, I couldn't read past this line.... (none / 0)

"After watching Hillary throw her campaign in the toilet..."

I literally have NO idea what Miss Blue is talking about except it's another DKos slam at Hillary Clinton.


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:06:03 PM EST

Re: Sorry, I couldn't read past this line.... (2.00 / 1)

While I hope that's what's she's saying (I think she's crossed a couple of lines, though I don't think race is one, we can't judge her by Ferraro's ignorance) for you HRC supporters there is a much more innocuous way to read this: She kept Penn on, frankly that (along with the war vote) is the main reson this isn't wrapped up for her, and if I was unbiased and looking at this solely on who wins in November her retention of that douche is the primary reason I wouldn't vote for her, for god's sakes he's basically a less telegenic Bob Shrum (Shrum's also more eloquent), if she had Carville,Begala and Morris (who despite his odious scumbaggery then and now was a great campaign guy) I'd be far more confident in her ability to win against the GOP.


by Socraticsilence on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:14:48 PM EST
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BUT BUT BUT... (none / 0)

Penn is someone we political wonks know about and (maybe) some people who watch the talking heads.  How can that be the "reason" Hillary Haters have for making comments such as "she threw her campaign in the toilet"?

I'm sorry - but if that's the only reason not to vote for her, then Rev. Wright should be more than enough reason not to vote for Obama, too.

I just don't get why you all hate her so much.


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:54:23 PM EST
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Re: BUT BUT BUT... (none / 0)

Uh, yeah.  Maybe you shoulda read the actual diary.  Miss Blue was a Hillary supporter, not a hater.

The truth is that HRC's campaign has had more than it's fair share of trouble and in-fighting.  It's all been widely publicized.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:06:11 PM EST
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Was a HRC supporter but thinks... (none / 0)

she threw her campaign in the toilet?

Sorry, that's a classic Hillary Hater Talking Point.


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:31:46 PM EST
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Re: Was a HRC supporter but thinks... (none / 0)

Sigh.  You still didn't read it, did you?

So you're suggesting that Miss Blue has "pretended" to be a Clinton supporter until this morning, all the while advocating for Hillary through all the slings and arrows over at Dkos?

That's a seriosuly committed hater.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:40:02 PM EST
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Re: Sorry, I couldn't read past this line.... (none / 0)

I assume Miss Blue has been displeased with the overall way the HRC campaign has been run.  I've seen plenty of similar sentiments from scores of HRC supporters.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:22:56 PM EST
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Great reason to Hate Hillary...SNARK! (none / 0)


by Shazone on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:06:15 PM EST
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This is going to SHOCK everyone here, I'm sure... (none / 0)

...but, the immediate reaction of media and pundits is, IMHO, way off-the-mark.

Me thinks this isn't going to be playing as well in the hinterlands as the audiences on these blogs may make it appear.

Gosh! That'd be a first, huh?

This is one instance where all that matters, from a purely pragmatic standpoint, is how this shakes out in the polls over the next 48-72 hours.

I think it's still extremely problematic; and, if Obama ends up winning the nomination, it will continue to be right up until the first Tuesday in November...if for no other reason than the Rethug's and their 527s will make certain that's the case. And, sadly, in this day and age, that's the only thing that's been needed to undermine our party in the past two presidential campaigns, too.


by bobswern on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:25:54 PM EST

Well... (none / 0)

You may be right.  The chattering class certainly can't be trusted on the whole.  

HRC has her problems too.  Repugs can dust off the old bag of tricks and still squeeze some juice out.  Rank and file rethugs will believe just about anything that's fed to them.  

For the sake of the nation, let's all hope that a dem takes the Whitehouse.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 06:31:43 PM EST
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ummmm (1.00 / 1)

Chris Matthews and every one at NBC has been all over Obama like gushing teenage girls for over a YEAR now so why should we be surprised???

The media hates Hillary just like they hated Al Gore. God forbid an intelligent thoughtful person gets elected President who might actaully rein them in.

Obama is Bush without the resume


by rossinatl on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:03:41 PM EST

Re: ummmm (2.00 / 2)

"Obama is Bush without the resume".

Congrats.  By far the most stupid statement I've seen all day.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 07:08:19 PM EST
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