Obama is DOOMED*

*Except he's not.

Hillary Clinton's hometown paper, The Scranton Times-Tribune endorses:

For Pennsylvania Democrats, the best answer in the April 22 primary is Barack Obama.

In a nomination campaign that has defied convention, Mr. Obama has energized an entire generation of voters that, for the most part, otherwise had checked out of political participation. That, at least, portends a new approach to governance that can help to dissipate the political miasma that has engulfed Washington at least since the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is an extremely talented politician who already has secured a unique place in U.S. political history. She repeatedly has proved her political death notices to be premature. She also has demonstrated that she is a master of public policy. And -- this is not and should not be taken lightly in an area that prides itself on family and a tradition of supporting its own -- the Rodham family has deep Scranton roots.

But Mrs. Clinton also is a political lightning rod. There is little doubt that a second Clinton presidency would further the deep divisiveness that characterizes American politics -- a divisiveness that dug itself deep during the Clinton presidency, and even deeper during the Bush-Cheney years.

Deep roots, but it may be that the leaves are changing color.

The Allentown Paper, The Morning Call, says:

Pennsylvania's Democratic voters on April 22 will choose between two candidates in the presidential primary. Both are qualified to become the nation's chief executive. They have more similarities than differences. But, The Morning Call recommends that Sen. Barack Obama be nominated, and we offer three reasons.

The first is the quality of his campaign. It has surprised the experts by moving him close to the finish line against bigger, more established political machines and it has communicated his basic ideas well.

The second is his message of hope and change. It conveys a vision of the nation's future that is in tune with the tenor and consensus of most Americans.

And third, and most important for the Democratic Party at this moment in history, there is Sen. Obama's ability to inspire.

What does the Beaver County Times & Allegheny Times have to say?  Well, they have a nice article explaining how a recent poll predicts that Obama will take 73% of Black women in PA.  An 81 year old woman is quoted as follows:

"I was glad to see her in the race," Walker said. "I thought this might be a person that gets my vote."

But she also favored Obama, the upstart senator from Illinois. As both candidates took similar stances on the major campaign issues, Walker was for a long time undecided.

It wasn't until recent Clinton gaffes, most notably her exaggeration of coming under sniper fire in Bosnia as first lady in 1996, which turned Walker to Obama.

"The more I listen to her the more she has gotten under my skin," said Walker.

By contrast, she said Obama "seems like he's very honest" and is more candid when answering questions.

She's so bitter!


Poll
Will Hillary be "bitter" if the right wing style Eilitism attack fails to dislodge Obama?
Yes
Definitely
Probably
Certainly
Of course she will
Naturally
Indubitably
No (but privately: Yes)

Votes: 26
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 2)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:10:02 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (none / 0)

HA!


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:14:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 2)

Cute. Good diary too. Nice to get a breath of fresh air in here - from the REAL world. Thanks fogiv


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:21:28 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

Thanks Brit.  If you haven't already, take a look at my other diary here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/12/2123 1/8815#readmore

It's also a bit different than the usual (as it required some thought to put together).  Would love to hear your thoughts.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:28:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (none / 0)

I think one aspect of this election is clear....endorsements don't matter as much as they used to.


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:15:27 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 4)

eing from PA and listening to the local TV and radio talk shows, Clinton is walking a very fine line with this....Much of the talk today has revolved around her and whether this is a "desperate" attempt at the nomination.  Many callers have called in and stated Clinton has gone overboard in the demeaning Obama.  Many called in to say Obama's comments were "spot on" and kept reiterating their "bitterness".  Many said,  just like recent elections, the nominees are talking to them as if they were children who could not decide for themselves what the candidates mean when they speak.  A few have made fun at her attempt to relate to gun owners with own gun stories. Most, just want them to talk issues and to quit the "bickering and knee-capping."  I have noticed this is big on talk radio but on TV some have said nothing about it while others have a 30 second tidbit.  She should be wary of backlash....I was very wary of this at first but people just ain't buying what Hillary is selling today...By the way,  from Western PA 45 minutes north of Pittsburgh 1 hour south of Erie right of !-79.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:16:04 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 2)

Agreed.  Time will tell, but she may be playing right into a big mistake on this one.  The PA folks have have been used and lied to for decades.  I'm relatively certain that most rational folks will see right through the HRC schtick.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:25:18 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (none / 0)

Unforunately, however, these were Obama's own words.  No excuses.  

It is interesting that once again the focus goes right back to Hillary, even though McCain's words against Obama were much harsher.  

If you an Obama supporter, it is OK to say "well, that was a mistake."

As a Hillary supporter I can certainly say that she's made many (e.g., Bosnia).


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:33:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (1.00 / 2)

You think Bosnia was mistake?

Most people think it was a LIE!


by Hope Monger 2008 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:37:24 PM EST
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Again, the same can be applied to Obama.

At first he said that he never heard Wright's controversial remarks, and then backtracked.


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:41:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 3)

Except that's a lie.  He specifically said that he had never heard the specific remarks being played on the news but had heard OTHER controversial remarks.

Please don't spread false information


by CaptMorgan on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:53:16 PM EST
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Not exactly.  He was quite vague about what he heard and what he didn't hear.

His original statement, that "I wasn't in church when any of those sermons were issued" was technically correct.  However, the implication here was that he didn't really have a grasp on how controversial Wright really was.


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:19:48 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

It is clear that as a Hillary supporter you are going to hear what you want when it comes to what Obama has actually said compared to the spin...thats fine and it is your right to react that way.

However, plenty of Obama supporters have pointed out that his words could have been better chosen. Heck, HE pointed out that his words could have been better chosen. But for HRC OR Johnny Mcnutterson to try and make major political hay out of them is not only absurd it is hackery at its finest.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:51:59 PM EST
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I agree that Obama's words may not have been artfully spoken, and I might be convinced to concede that, though entirely true, they may have have been "ready" for general public consumption.

Should this be the case, we've determined that Obama isn't as politically calculating as he should be.  I'm not sure that's a negative trait.

As for McCain's criticisms, I agree wholeheartedly that that they are far more disengenuous and deplorable.  However, here at MYDD, I don't read and respond to Anti-Obama diaries written by Pro-John McCain people, but rather to those from fellow dems.  Admittedly, it's often hard to tell the diffrence.

Additionally, first things first.  As an Obama supporter, I recognize the need the secure the nomination before engaging John McCain in earnest, don't you?


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:45:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (1.50 / 2)

Bingo! SHE IS FINISHED.  People know she canNOT ever catch up to him, they understand that she is playing politics, the Clintons are known for this crap, and the people KNOW it!

The country is very tired of the Clintons!

The good folks of PA, all of them, bitter and not bitter, hunters and snipers, White and Black, Latinos and Asians may just do her in on April 22nd!


by Hope Monger 2008 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:27:47 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 3)

Americans and Pennsylvanians are not idiots! I am in PA and I will say it again:  PEOPLE ARE BITTER and FED-UP.  HRC's and surrogates' shameful display of the last two days is pure pander that voters can see through.  Now, she is this gun-toting duck hunter!  How laughable!!  I don't know how this woman can look at herself in the mirror with the kind of poisonous campaigning that she is running.


by sbbonerad on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:17:08 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

Your comments can equally be applied to Obama.

Do you think that it was mere coincidence, for example, that a few days after getting bad gay press for refusing so many LGBT interviews that he made a statement saying that "don't ask, don't tell" should no longer be a military policy?

Both are politicians and VERY transparent.  

Once one picks a side to the blinders go on.


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:21:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (none / 0)

Definitely some truth to that.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
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FACT CHECK:
It was ONE gay newspaper that Obama didn't get around to(he didn't refuse) speaking with not "so many".It was the Philadelphia Gay News, not exactly a nationally recognized newspaper that happens to be owned by a hillary supporter/donor. Also for the record, Obama has ALWAYS spoken about gay rights. He brings it up in EVERY stump speech. Does his rival? He preached against homophobia in Dr King's church. He mentioned gay rights in his 2004 convention speech as well as in his announcement speech.
This section has been on his website since day one:

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/conten t/lgbthome


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:32:14 PM EST
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Logo (the gay cable channel) also has mentioned that Obama consistently has refused interviews.

And for those that think Obama is really strong on gay issues, please check out this clip.  Once again, it begs the question what he really thinks.

His response here made me cringe.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZzWYCxjd nY


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:38:08 PM EST
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Unlike president Clinton who threw the gay community under the bus at the first sign of political pressure.....can you say Doma and Don't Ask Don't tell? 2 lovely bills President Clinton signed into law that have been of such GREAT help to gay people.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:46:54 PM EST
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I think many of us forget how progressive "don't ask, don't tell" was at the time.  It was a baby step.  Is it outdated now?  Of course.  


by mjc888 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:25:34 PM EST
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many of us were upset, and thought it was half a loaf, at the time.

And Obama has spoken up on repealing "Don't ask" before the latest discussion of it.

Personally I wouldn't have wasted time with LOGO either, not because it is a gay cable channel but because it is a cable channel that nobody watches (and those who do are likely voting for the Dem nominee in November anyway.) Candidates have a lot of time requirements and not always a lot of time. You have to prioritize and until they get much better ratings they can't be considered much of a priority.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:55:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

Given HRC's staunch anti-gun past and her litany of recently exposed lies, does anyone really belive her fond memory of duck hunting and shooting practice with her dearly departed Dad?  Yes, it does kinda remind you of the Dukakis in the tank debacle!  


by sbbonerad on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:40:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

Poisoning the well is a very bad thing, and it's pretty clear that's the tactic in this case.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:21:33 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 3)

It's funny: the duck hunting and beer drinking images reminded me of Kerry windsurfing or Dukakis riding around in that tank. It was just surreal.


by DrPolitics on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:28:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 3)

Plus they know she has already lost.  Obama numbers canNOT ever be reversed!


by Hope Monger 2008 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:28:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED in PA. (2.00 / 2)

Pittsburgh PG, Endorsed Kerry, Gore, Klink and Rendell sorry to disappoint....


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:19:39 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED in PA. (2.00 / 2)

Hillary was kissing up to Dick Scaife and it was Scaife's paper (Phg Tribune Review) that backed Santorum, and Scaife bankrolled him also.
by bernardpliers on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:38:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 2)

HRC is finished. One thing I hate is a blatant opportunist.
Obama go on and bury her. Attack and make her beg.
A former hillary supporter.
by Cristalgirl on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:20:35 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

After tonight she will back away from this (disregarding Mark Penn's advice) and rightfully so...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:20:55 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 4)

Now Bill is even getting in on the act. It's ridiculous. I wrote about this in several threads on here yesterday: that HRC would overreach with this. She looks desperate because she is desperate. It's funny if you break this all down. HRC has come out against hope (has run a campaign against it), and now she and Bill come out and say that economic distress and anxiety isn't real. These people are desperate for anything that they think will stick. The problem with throwing poo is, you never know who it's going to stick too. More than likely, it's just going to stick all over you.

My prediction: Obama shines tonight in the faith and values forum and puts this away for good. Hillary continues to overreach and makes herself look even more like a pander bear. Then there's the pesky little business of Bill Clinton's remarks in 1991. Those will be played on a loop, endlessly, if these two 100+ millionaires both keep this up.

I'm starting to think that this is going to hurt one of these candidates and I'm thinking now that it won't be Obama.


by DrPolitics on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:26:00 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 1)

Well said Doc, as always.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:30:57 PM EST
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CNN played an interview with her earlier:

1) she said the local paper headline was POINTY, whatever that means, but that same paper endoresed Obama!!!

2) Then she said that he is wrong.  A guy asked if SHE REALLY thinks he is an elitist! She answered by saying that Obama is a great man, and very successful...etc.

3) The reporter asked her if she clearly does not think he is an elitist, wouldn't this be playing politics...etc.?? She fumbled and mumbled...

Nutshell: she looked like a fool! Anyone can see through the lies and drama!


by Hope Monger 2008 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:33:18 PM EST
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I just read on Politico that at a campaign event for Hillary in NC where Bill is speaking they were handing out "I'm Not Bitter" bumper stickers.  If that was campaign-sanctioned then I think she is overplaying her hand.  When these things happen with Obama she is better to leave well enough alone.  They have a tendency of backfiring on her.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM EST
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LOL...
I love it... "pander bear"

I need to find the right image to put, with that, on a t-shirt.

Thanks Doc!!!


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:56:43 PM EST
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Re: Obama is DOOMED* (2.00 / 2)

Clinton's not giving people are reason to vote FOR her.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:38:38 PM EST

Re: Obama is DOOMED* (none / 0)

You can say that again.


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:47:38 PM EST
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